Part of me thinks he deserves a shot at the prem if we go up, but part of me thinks we should change managers regardless of league next year. We should be top of the league with this squad and hes showing red flags that makes me think he could be sacked by xmas anyway.

in this case yes, just pay the £17m.
but it's like the fee being £17m and we offer £23m.
just doesn't make sense

I think Tad if the fee is 17m and we offer 23m then yes it does seem bad business.
But if the fee is 17m and we offer 12 and it`s turned down.
Go back and more or less pay the asking price if the club think he will make a difference.
Seems Sunderland are waiting to see who we fancy and then outbid us.

All gone quiet on the transfer front... thought they'd have brought in one or two more by now. They certainly need to get a move one, pre season fixtures are fast approaching, need to get them bedded in early. 

49rs do things quietly though. not really much happening anywhere really

Would have liked Tuanzebe who I think Burnley have signed for next season.
I do hope that we go the extra mile on players who add quality rather than stick at a fee on the cheap hoping we get a bargain.
Thought we might have seen a couple more announcements by now.
Also I don`t see the logic in letting Wober go on loan.
If Farke doesn`t rate him then get him sold.